[ptxdist] Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[ptxdist] Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

Hello,

I and others at Pengutronix would consider it very useful to have a
public-inbox archive of the ptxdist mailing list. Given that there are
already a few lists archived on lore.kernel.org that (I think) are not
strongly related to the Linux kernel I wondered if it was possible to
add an archive for ptxdist there, too. (ptxdist has a similar purpose as
buildroot and yocto, it's an environment that allows to build Linux
images for embedded systems.)

If yes, subscription is handled by mailman via
ptxdist-request@pengutronix.de (with "subscribe" in the Subject).

Thanks
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

Hello,

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:36:48AM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> I and others at Pengutronix would consider it very useful to have a
> public-inbox archive of the ptxdist mailing list. Given that there are
> already a few lists archived on lore.kernel.org that (I think) are not
> strongly related to the Linux kernel I wondered if it was possible to
> add an archive for ptxdist there, too. (ptxdist has a similar purpose as
> buildroot and yocto, it's an environment that allows to build Linux
> images for embedded systems.)

I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?

Thanks
Uwe

> If yes, subscription is handled by mailman via
> ptxdist-request@pengutronix.de (with "subscribe" in the Subject).


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[ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König via RT]

Hello,

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:36:48AM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> I and others at Pengutronix would consider it very useful to have a
> public-inbox archive of the ptxdist mailing list. Given that there are
> already a few lists archived on lore.kernel.org that (I think) are not
> strongly related to the Linux kernel I wondered if it was possible to
> add an archive for ptxdist there, too. (ptxdist has a similar purpose as
> buildroot and yocto, it's an environment that allows to build Linux
> images for embedded systems.)

I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?

Thanks
Uwe

> If yes, subscription is handled by mailman via
> ptxdist-request@pengutronix.de (with "subscribe" in the Subject).


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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

Hello,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 05:40:56AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 10:36:48AM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > I and others at Pengutronix would consider it very useful to have a
> > public-inbox archive of the ptxdist mailing list. Given that there are
> > already a few lists archived on lore.kernel.org that (I think) are not
> > strongly related to the Linux kernel I wondered if it was possible to
> > add an archive for ptxdist there, too. (ptxdist has a similar purpose as
> > buildroot and yocto, it's an environment that allows to build Linux
> > images for embedded systems.)
> 
> I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?

I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".

Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?

Best regards
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > 
> > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> 
> I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> 
> Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?

Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  
While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.

Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
across the open-source fabric.

We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.

I hope that we'll be able to roll out our aggregated mirroring/indexing 
service closer to mid-year -- and when that happens, we'll be happy to 
mirror your lists and offer them alongside all others.

-K


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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

Hello Konstantin,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > > 
> > > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> > 
> > I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> > rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> > 
> > Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> > step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> > than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?
> 
> Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
> stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  

That's fine, I didn't expect ill intend. On the receiving end of such a
silence it is however really hard to know what is going on. Did the
other side receive the mail at all? Did I do something wrong? Did I get
on their nerve? Are they just drowning in other work? Did they reply to
the moderated list only and the reply was dropped by mistake? When is
the right time to ping this request, or does this just increase
annoyance? So a quick and small heads up à la "We got your request, it
doesn't completely fit our intend, give us some time to think about how
to handle it" would have been great. (I'm aware about the cost on your
end for such a reply, I'm on the silence-sending side at times, too. So
I just want to make you (more) aware of my situation here, without
ranting.)

> While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
> aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
> lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
> various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
> topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
> ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
> not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.

I think that is OK. I'll have to talk to the people on our side about
our options and about how to proceed.

> Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
> resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
> was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
> across the open-source fabric.

Indeed I also already thought that having links to lore.kernel.org in
ptxdist commit messages is inferior to an URI that is related to the
project. (Having said that, just putting something like

	Message-id: msg.id@here

and have the tooling to convert that to something clickable depending on
the project would be great.)

> We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
> and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
> offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
> end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
> you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
> lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.

This sounds like a great option.

Thanks for your feedback,
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König via RT]

Hello Konstantin,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > > 
> > > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> > 
> > I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> > rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> > 
> > Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> > step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> > than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?
> 
> Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
> stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  

That's fine, I didn't expect ill intend. On the receiving end of such a
silence it is however really hard to know what is going on. Did the
other side receive the mail at all? Did I do something wrong? Did I get
on their nerve? Are they just drowning in other work? Did they reply to
the moderated list only and the reply was dropped by mistake? When is
the right time to ping this request, or does this just increase
annoyance? So a quick and small heads up à la "We got your request, it
doesn't completely fit our intend, give us some time to think about how
to handle it" would have been great. (I'm aware about the cost on your
end for such a reply, I'm on the silence-sending side at times, too. So
I just want to make you (more) aware of my situation here, without
ranting.)

> While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
> aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
> lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
> various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
> topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
> ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
> not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.

I think that is OK. I'll have to talk to the people on our side about
our options and about how to proceed.

> Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
> resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
> was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
> across the open-source fabric.

Indeed I also already thought that having links to lore.kernel.org in
ptxdist commit messages is inferior to an URI that is related to the
project. (Having said that, just putting something like

	Message-id: msg.id@here

and have the tooling to convert that to something clickable depending on
the project would be great.)

> We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
> and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
> offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
> end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
> you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
> lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.

This sounds like a great option.

Thanks for your feedback,
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

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Hello Konstantin,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > > 
> > > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> > 
> > I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> > rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> > 
> > Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> > step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> > than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?
> 
> Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
> stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  
> While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
> aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
> lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
> various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
> topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
> ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
> not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.
> 
> Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
> resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
> was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
> across the open-source fabric.
> 
> We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
> and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
> offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
> end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
> you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
> lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.
> 
> I hope that we'll be able to roll out our aggregated mirroring/indexing 
> service closer to mid-year -- and when that happens, we'll be happy to 
> mirror your lists and offer them alongside all others.

I'd like to come back to this offer. We have setup our own public-inbox
instances now for a while and mirroring them on lore.kernel.org would be
great.

These are the links to our instances:

	https://lore.barebox.org/barebox 
	https://lore.ptxdist.org/ptxdist
	https://lore.distrokit.org/distrokit
	https://lore.pengutronix.de/oss-tools

Is there anything else you need, some meta-data maybe?

Thanks in advance
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

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Hello Konstantin,

On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:28:30AM +0100, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > > > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> > > 
> > > I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> > > rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> > > 
> > > Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> > > step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> > > than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?
> > 
> > Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
> > stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  
> > While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
> > aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
> > lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
> > various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
> > topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
> > ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
> > not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.
> > 
> > Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
> > resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
> > was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
> > across the open-source fabric.
> > 
> > We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
> > and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
> > offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
> > end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
> > you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
> > lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.
> > 
> > I hope that we'll be able to roll out our aggregated mirroring/indexing 
> > service closer to mid-year -- and when that happens, we'll be happy to 
> > mirror your lists and offer them alongside all others.
> 
> I'd like to come back to this offer. We have setup our own public-inbox
> instances now for a while and mirroring them on lore.kernel.org would be
> great.
> 
> These are the links to our instances:
> 
> 	https://lore.barebox.org/barebox 
> 	https://lore.ptxdist.org/ptxdist
> 	https://lore.distrokit.org/distrokit
> 	https://lore.pengutronix.de/oss-tools
> 
> Is there anything else you need, some meta-data maybe?

I didn't hear back from you. I wonder if this mail didn't make it to a
mailbox that is read, or if it just fell through the (human) cracks.

It would be great to get these lists indexed on lore.kernel.org.

happy to get feedback
Uwe

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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Ahmad Fatoum]

Hello Konstantin,

On 26.11.21 11:28, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> Hello Konstantin,
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
>> I hope that we'll be able to roll out our aggregated mirroring/indexing 
>> service closer to mid-year -- and when that happens, we'll be happy to 
>> mirror your lists and offer them alongside all others.
> 
> I'd like to come back to this offer. We have setup our own public-inbox
> instances now for a while and mirroring them on lore.kernel.org would be
> great.
> 
> These are the links to our instances:
> 
> 	https://lore.barebox.org/barebox 
> 	https://lore.ptxdist.org/ptxdist
> 	https://lore.distrokit.org/distrokit
> 	https://lore.pengutronix.de/oss-tools
> 
> Is there anything else you need, some meta-data maybe?

Did you have time to look into mirroring these instances?

Thanks in advance,
Ahmad

> 
> Thanks in advance
> Uwe
> 
> 
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Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

[Uwe Kleine-König]

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Hello Konstantin,

On Tue, May 03, 2022 at 09:04:39AM +0200, Ahmad Fatoum wrote:
> On 26.11.21 11:28, Uwe Kleine-König wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> >> I hope that we'll be able to roll out our aggregated mirroring/indexing 
> >> service closer to mid-year -- and when that happens, we'll be happy to 
> >> mirror your lists and offer them alongside all others.
> > 
> > I'd like to come back to this offer. We have setup our own public-inbox
> > instances now for a while and mirroring them on lore.kernel.org would be
> > great.
> > 
> > These are the links to our instances:
> > 
> > 	https://lore.barebox.org/barebox 
> > 	https://lore.ptxdist.org/ptxdist
> > 	https://lore.distrokit.org/distrokit
> > 	https://lore.pengutronix.de/oss-tools
> > 
> > Is there anything else you need, some meta-data maybe?
> 
> Did you have time to look into mirroring these instances?

It doesn't seem you had, at least these are not listed on
https://lore.kernel.org/ yet :-\

Apart from that, I expected all vger lists to be on lore, but I miss
devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org, too.

Best regards
Uwe

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