Re: [ptxdist] [Kernel.org Helpdesk #86171] [linuxfoundation.org #86171] Re: Archive ptxdist@pengutronix.de on lore.kernel.org?

["Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>]

Hello Konstantin,

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:31:22PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev via RT wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:52:53AM -0400, Uwe Kleine-König via RT wrote:
> > > 
> > > I didn't hear back from you in reply to my request from three weeks ago.
> > > Is this still on your radar and I just need some more patience?
> > 
> > I still didn't hear anything back from you. The ticket on
> > rt.linuxfoundation.org is still marked as "new".
> > 
> > Following https://korg.wiki.kernel.org/userdoc/lore I'm currently in the
> > step "Wait till you receive a response", but since I'm there since more
> > than eight weeks I wonder if there is a problem on your side?
> 
> Hello, and sorry for radio silence. I wasn't deliberately trying to 
> stall -- I was just trying to figure out the best way to approach this.  

That's fine, I didn't expect ill intend. On the receiving end of such a
silence it is however really hard to know what is going on. Did the
other side receive the mail at all? Did I do something wrong? Did I get
on their nerve? Are they just drowning in other work? Did they reply to
the moderated list only and the reply was dropped by mistake? When is
the right time to ping this request, or does this just increase
annoyance? So a quick and small heads up à la "We got your request, it
doesn't completely fit our intend, give us some time to think about how
to handle it" would have been great. (I'm aware about the cost on your
end for such a reply, I'm on the silence-sending side at times, too. So
I just want to make you (more) aware of my situation here, without
ranting.)

> While it's true that there are some things on lore.kernel.org that 
> aren't *directly* related to the kernel, we nevertheless try to stick to 
> lists that are either about low-level kernel subsystems, or about 
> various tools used for kernel development, or at least have predominant 
> topics that are close to the above two categories. The trouble with 
> ptxdist is that it doesn't really fit inside those boundaries, so I am 
> not sure whether it makes sense for it to live on lore.kernel.org.

I think that is OK. I'll have to talk to the people on our side about
our options and about how to proceed.

> Above all, I'd like to avoid turning lore.kernel.org into a central 
> resource that becomes a hard dependency for projects the same way gmane 
> was -- so much so, that when it disappeared, it caused serious ripple 
> across the open-source fabric.

Indeed I also already thought that having links to lore.kernel.org in
ptxdist commit messages is inferior to an URI that is related to the
project. (Having said that, just putting something like

	Message-id: msg.id@here

and have the tooling to convert that to something clickable depending on
the project would be great.)

> We are encouraging others to set up their own instances of public-inbox, 
> and would prefer to mirror the resulting git repositories instead (and 
> offer indexing/searching capabilities) instead of doing archival on our 
> end. This is the approach we're taking with Yocto, and I would encourage 
> you to investigate the same option, as this would avoid making 
> lore.kernel.org a hard dependency for your project.

This sounds like a great option.

Thanks for your feedback,
Uwe

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