From: Michael Olbrich <m.olbrich@pengutronix.de>
To: ptxdist@pengutronix.de
Cc: Artur Wiebe <artur@4wiebe.de>
Subject: Re: [ptxdist] [APPLIED] wpewebkit: switch to WPE Platform, drop libwpe/wpebackend-fdo/cog
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2026 17:38:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260814153844.1803032-1-m.olbrich@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260627185026.2412272-1-artur@4wiebe.de>
Thanks, applied as 981e38f93078b3e997ce731bcc2c94edd5093221.
Michael
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On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 17:38:44 +0200, Artur Wiebe <artur@4wiebe.de> wrote:
> Migrate the WPE port from the legacy libwpe-based stack to the WPE
> Platform API that is now built into wpewebkit itself.
>
> wpewebkit.make:
> - ENABLE_WPE_LEGACY_API=OFF, ENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM=ON: stop building the
> old libwpe API and use the in-tree WPE Platform implementation
> - Drive ENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_WAYLAND and ENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_DRM from the
> new backend choice instead of hardcoding them OFF
> - Add ENABLE_MINIBROWSER driven by PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_MINIBROWSER
>
> wpewebkit.in:
> - Add a "WPE platform backend" choice between Wayland (default) and
> DRM/KMS, pulling in the matching dependencies (wayland/wayland-protocols
> for Wayland; libinput/udev for DRM)
> - Add MESALIB_GBM and the conditional MESALIB_EGL_WAYLAND
> - Add WPEWEBKIT_MINIBROWSER option: a WPE Platform based launcher that
> can be used instead of cog
> - Drop the LIBWPE and WPEBACKEND_FDO selects
>
> Remove the now-unused packages, which only served the legacy API:
> - libwpe
> - wpebackend-fdo
> - cog (its only platform backend was wpebackend-fdo)
>
> Add patch 0003 to fix a double-definition build error: the no-op
> gamepad provider stubs in UIGamepadProvider.cpp are guarded with the
> never-defined USE(WPE_PLATFORM) instead of ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM), so in
> WPE-Platform-only builds (no libwpe, no libmanette) they are compiled
> alongside the real implementation. Backported from upstream.
>
> Signed-off-by: Artur Wiebe <artur@4wiebe.de>
> Message-Id: <20260627185026.2412272-1-artur@4wiebe.de>
> Signed-off-by: Michael Olbrich <m.olbrich@pengutronix.de>
>
> diff --git a/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/0003-UIGamepadProvider-guard-stubs-with-ENABLE-WPE_PLATFORM.patch b/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/0003-UIGamepadProvider-guard-stubs-with-ENABLE-WPE_PLATFORM.patch
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..cd84a1596a62
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/0003-UIGamepadProvider-guard-stubs-with-ENABLE-WPE_PLATFORM.patch
> @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@
> +From: Artur Wiebe <artur@4wiebe.de>
> +Subject: [PATCH] UIGamepadProvider: guard fallback stubs with ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> +
> +The generic no-op implementations of platformSetDefaultGamepadProvider(),
> +platformWebPageProxyForGamepadInput(), platformStopMonitoringInput() and
> +platformStartMonitoringInput() in UIGamepadProvider.cpp are guarded with
> +!USE(WPE_PLATFORM). That macro is never defined anywhere: the build system
> +exposes ENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM (i.e. ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM)), and every other
> +gamepad source file uses ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM) accordingly. USE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> +therefore always evaluates to 0.
> +
> +The real implementations live in UIProcess/Gamepad/libwpe/
> +UIGamepadProviderLibWPE.cpp, which is compiled unconditionally for the WPE
> +port (guarded only by ENABLE(GAMEPAD)) and dispatches to either the WPE
> +Platform or the legacy libwpe provider.
> +
> +When building the WPE port with ENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM=ON but without the legacy
> +libwpe API (USE_LIBWPE=OFF) and without libmanette (USE_MANETTE=OFF), the
> +guard stays true and the fallback stubs are compiled in addition to the real
> +implementations, causing "redefinition of ..." errors at link/compile time of
> +the unified sources.
> +
> +Fix the guard to use ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM) to match the rest of the codebase,
> +so the stubs are excluded whenever the WPE Platform implementation is present.
> +
> +This is the same fix applied upstream; drop this patch once it reaches a
> +released 2.52.x tarball.
> +
> +Upstream-Bug: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317834
> +Upstream-Commit: 0cab62d "[WPE] platformSetDefaultGamepadProvider is defined twice in WPEPlatform-only builds"
> +
> +---
> + Source/WebKit/UIProcess/Gamepad/UIGamepadProvider.cpp | 4 ++--
> + 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> +
> +--- a/Source/WebKit/UIProcess/Gamepad/UIGamepadProvider.cpp
> ++++ b/Source/WebKit/UIProcess/Gamepad/UIGamepadProvider.cpp
> +@@ -250,7 +250,7 @@
> + });
> + }
> +
> +-#if !PLATFORM(COCOA) && !(USE(MANETTE) && OS(LINUX)) && !USE(LIBWPE) && !USE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> ++#if !PLATFORM(COCOA) && !(USE(MANETTE) && OS(LINUX)) && !USE(LIBWPE) && !ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> +
> + void UIGamepadProvider::platformSetDefaultGamepadProvider()
> + {
> +@@ -271,7 +271,7 @@
> + {
> + }
> +
> +-#endif // !PLATFORM(COCOA) && !(USE(MANETTE) && OS(LINUX)) && !USE(LIBWPE) && !USE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> ++#endif // !PLATFORM(COCOA) && !(USE(MANETTE) && OS(LINUX)) && !USE(LIBWPE) && !ENABLE(WPE_PLATFORM)
> +
> + }
> +
> diff --git a/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/series b/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/series
> index 444f4f1b236e..7705f23cb707 100644
> --- a/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/series
> +++ b/patches/wpewebkit-2.52.4/series
> @@ -1 +1,2 @@
> 0002-PlatformWPE-link-GLib-GioUnix-to-propagate-gio-unix-2.0-includes.patch
> +0003-UIGamepadProvider-guard-stubs-with-ENABLE-WPE_PLATFORM.patch
> diff --git a/rules/cog.in b/rules/cog.in
> deleted file mode 100644
> index 47651073bdc7..000000000000
> --- a/rules/cog.in
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,24 +0,0 @@
> -## SECTION=applications
> -
> -menuconfig COG
> - tristate
> - prompt "cog "
> - select HOST_MESON
> - select DBUS
> - select WAYLAND_PROTOCOLS
> - select WPEWEBKIT
> - select WPEBACKEND_FDO
> - help
> - Cog launcher and webapp container.
> -
> -if COG
> -
> -config COG_REMOTE_DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS
> - bool
> - prompt "Expose remote control interface on system bus"
> -
> -config COG_COGCTL
> - bool
> - prompt "Install cogctl"
> -
> -endif
> diff --git a/rules/cog.make b/rules/cog.make
> deleted file mode 100644
> index 7199fb5146a3..000000000000
> --- a/rules/cog.make
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,83 +0,0 @@
> -# -*-makefile-*-
> -#
> -# Copyright (C) 2019 by Philippe Normand <philn@igalia.com>
> -#
> -# For further information about the PTXdist project and license conditions
> -# see the README file.
> -#
> -
> -#
> -# We provide this package
> -#
> -PACKAGES-$(PTXCONF_COG) += cog
> -
> -#
> -# Paths and names
> -#
> -COG_VERSION := 0.19.1
> -COG_SHA256 := 633760ba69e36e4fbc24757c927f46fa1fdb3c526d0a6ac6ab35a21d35ad57b3
> -COG := cog-$(COG_VERSION)
> -COG_SUFFIX := tar.xz
> -COG_URL := https://wpewebkit.org/releases/$(COG).$(COG_SUFFIX)
> -COG_SOURCE := $(SRCDIR)/$(COG).$(COG_SUFFIX)
> -COG_DIR := $(BUILDDIR)/$(COG)
> -COG_LICENSE := MIT
> -COG_LICENSE_FILES := file://COPYING;md5=bf1229cd7425b302d60cdb641b0ce5fb
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Prepare
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -#
> -# cmake
> -#
> -COG_CONF_TOOL := meson
> -COG_CONF_OPT := \
> - $(CROSS_MESON_USR) \
> - -Dcog_appid=com.igalia.Cog \
> - -Dcog_dbus_control=$(call ptx/ifdef, PTXCONF_COG_REMOTE_DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS,system,user) \
> - -Dcog_dbus_system_owner= \
> - -Dcog_home_uri=https://ptxdist.org/ \
> - -Ddocumentation=false \
> - -Dexamples=false \
> - -Dlibportal=disabled \
> - -Dmanpages=false \
> - -Dplatforms=wayland \
> - -Dplugin_path=/usr/lib/cog/modules \
> - -Dprograms=true \
> - -Dwayland_weston_content_protection=false \
> - -Dwayland_weston_direct_display=false \
> - -Dwpe_api=2.0 \
> - -Dx11_keyboard=[]
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Target-Install
> -# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -$(STATEDIR)/cog.targetinstall:
> - @$(call targetinfo)
> -
> - @$(call install_init, cog)
> - @$(call install_fixup, cog,PRIORITY,optional)
> - @$(call install_fixup, cog,SECTION,base)
> - @$(call install_fixup, cog,AUTHOR,"Philippe Normand <philn@igalia.com>")
> - @$(call install_fixup, cog,DESCRIPTION,"WPE launcher and webapp container")
> -
> - @$(call install_copy, cog, 0, 0, 0755, -, /usr/bin/cog)
> - @$(call install_lib, cog, 0, 0, 0644, cog/modules/libcogplatform-wl)
> - @$(call install_lib, cog, 0, 0, 0644, libcogcore)
> -
> -ifdef PTXCONF_COG_REMOTE_DBUS_SYSTEM_BUS
> - @$(call install_copy, cog, 0, 0, 0644, -, \
> - /usr/share/dbus-1/system.d/com.igalia.Cog.conf)
> -endif
> -
> -ifdef PTXCONF_COG_COGCTL
> - @$(call install_copy, cog, 0, 0, 0755, -, /usr/bin/cogctl)
> -endif
> -
> - @$(call install_finish, cog)
> -
> - @$(call touch)
> -
> -# vim: syntax=make
> diff --git a/rules/libwpe.in b/rules/libwpe.in
> deleted file mode 100644
> index 53c317b6745c..000000000000
> --- a/rules/libwpe.in
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,11 +0,0 @@
> -## SECTION=system_libraries
> -
> -config LIBWPE
> - tristate
> - prompt "libwpe"
> - select HOST_MESON
> - select MESALIB
> - select MESALIB_EGL
> - select LIBXKBCOMMON
> - help
> - General-purpose library for the WebPlatformForEmbedded-flavored port of WebKit.
> diff --git a/rules/libwpe.make b/rules/libwpe.make
> deleted file mode 100644
> index 6561b0fec4ee..000000000000
> --- a/rules/libwpe.make
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,61 +0,0 @@
> -# -*-makefile-*-
> -#
> -# Copyright (C) 2018 by Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>
> -#
> -# For further information about the PTXdist project and license conditions
> -# see the README file.
> -#
> -
> -#
> -# We provide this package
> -#
> -PACKAGES-$(PTXCONF_LIBWPE) += libwpe
> -
> -#
> -# Paths and names
> -#
> -LIBWPE_VERSION := 1.16.2
> -LIBWPE_LIBRARY_VERSION := 1.0
> -LIBWPE_SHA256 := 960bdd11c3f2cf5bd91569603ed6d2aa42fd4000ed7cac930a804eac367888d7
> -LIBWPE := libwpe-$(LIBWPE_VERSION)
> -LIBWPE_SUFFIX := tar.xz
> -LIBWPE_URL := https://wpewebkit.org/releases/$(LIBWPE).$(LIBWPE_SUFFIX)
> -LIBWPE_SOURCE := $(SRCDIR)/$(LIBWPE).$(LIBWPE_SUFFIX)
> -LIBWPE_DIR := $(BUILDDIR)/$(LIBWPE)
> -LIBWPE_LICENSE := BSD-2-Clause
> -LIBWPE_LICENSE_FILES := file://COPYING;md5=371a616eb4903c6cb79e9893a5f615cc
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Prepare
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -#
> -# cmake
> -#
> -LIBWPE_CONF_TOOL := meson
> -LIBWPE_CONF_OPT := \
> - $(CROSS_MESON_USR) \
> - -Dbuild-docs=false \
> - -Ddefault-backend= \
> - -Denable-xkb=true
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Target-Install
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -$(STATEDIR)/libwpe.targetinstall:
> - @$(call targetinfo)
> -
> - @$(call install_init, libwpe)
> - @$(call install_fixup, libwpe,PRIORITY,optional)
> - @$(call install_fixup, libwpe,SECTION,base)
> - @$(call install_fixup, libwpe,AUTHOR,"Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>")
> - @$(call install_fixup, libwpe,DESCRIPTION,missing)
> -
> - @$(call install_lib, libwpe, 0, 0, 0644, libwpe-$(LIBWPE_LIBRARY_VERSION))
> -
> - @$(call install_finish, libwpe)
> -
> - @$(call touch)
> -
> -# vim: syntax=make
> diff --git a/rules/wpebackend-fdo.in b/rules/wpebackend-fdo.in
> deleted file mode 100644
> index dffadaf6fc22..000000000000
> --- a/rules/wpebackend-fdo.in
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,17 +0,0 @@
> -## SECTION=multimedia_libs
> -
> -config WPEBACKEND_FDO
> - tristate
> - prompt "wpebackend-fdo"
> - select HOST_MESON
> - select LIBEPOXY
> - select LIBWPE
> - select LIBXKBCOMMON
> - select GLIB
> - select MESALIB
> - select MESALIB_EGL
> - select MESALIB_EGL_WAYLAND
> - select WAYLAND
> - help
> - WPE backend based on freedesktop.org stack
> -
> diff --git a/rules/wpebackend-fdo.make b/rules/wpebackend-fdo.make
> deleted file mode 100644
> index 18c830d176eb..000000000000
> --- a/rules/wpebackend-fdo.make
> +++ /dev/null
> @@ -1,68 +0,0 @@
> -# -*-makefile-*-
> -#
> -# Copyright (C) 2018 by Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>
> -#
> -# For further information about the PTXdist project and license conditions
> -# see the README file.
> -#
> -
> -#
> -# We provide this package
> -#
> -PACKAGES-$(PTXCONF_WPEBACKEND_FDO) += wpebackend-fdo
> -
> -#
> -# Paths and names
> -#
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_VERSION := 1.16.1
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_LIBRARY_VERSION := 1.0
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_SHA256 := 544ae14012f8e7e426b8cb522eb0aaaac831ad7c35601d1cf31d37670e0ebb3b
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO := wpebackend-fdo-$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_VERSION)
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_SUFFIX := tar.xz
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_URL := https://wpewebkit.org/releases/$(WPEBACKEND_FDO).$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_SUFFIX)
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_SOURCE := $(SRCDIR)/$(WPEBACKEND_FDO).$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_SUFFIX)
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_DIR := $(BUILDDIR)/$(WPEBACKEND_FDO)
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_LICENSE := BSD-2-Clause
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_LICENSE_FILES := file://COPYING;md5=1f62cef2e3645e3e74eb05fd389d7a66
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Prepare
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -#
> -# meson
> -#
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_CONF_TOOL := meson
> -WPEBACKEND_FDO_CONF_OPT := \
> - $(CROSS_MESON_USR) \
> - -Dbuild_docs=false
> -
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -# Target-Install
> -# ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> -$(STATEDIR)/wpebackend-fdo.targetinstall:
> - @$(call targetinfo)
> -
> - @$(call install_init, wpebackend-fdo)
> - @$(call install_fixup, wpebackend-fdo,PRIORITY,optional)
> - @$(call install_fixup, wpebackend-fdo,SECTION,base)
> - @$(call install_fixup, wpebackend-fdo,AUTHOR,"Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>")
> - @$(call install_fixup, wpebackend-fdo,DESCRIPTION,missing)
> -
> - @$(call install_lib, wpebackend-fdo, 0, 0, 0644, \
> - libWPEBackend-fdo-$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_LIBRARY_VERSION))
> -
> - @$(call install_link, wpebackend-fdo, \
> - libWPEBackend-fdo-$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_LIBRARY_VERSION).so.1, \
> - /usr/lib/libWPEBackend-default.so)
> - @$(call install_link, wpebackend-fdo, \
> - libWPEBackend-fdo-$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_LIBRARY_VERSION).so.1, \
> - /usr/lib/libWPEBackend-fdo-$(WPEBACKEND_FDO_LIBRARY_VERSION).so)
> -
> -
> - @$(call install_finish, wpebackend-fdo)
> -
> - @$(call touch)
> -
> -# vim: syntax=make
> diff --git a/rules/wpewebkit.in b/rules/wpewebkit.in
> index 507ba3d1fe4a..884be90f35e0 100644
> --- a/rules/wpewebkit.in
> +++ b/rules/wpewebkit.in
> @@ -14,7 +14,6 @@ menuconfig WPEWEBKIT
> select ALSA_LIB if WPEWEBKIT_WEBRTC
> select GCCLIBS_ATOMIC
> select GLIB
> - select LIBWPE
> select CAIRO
> select CAIRO_FREETYPE
> select CAIRO_PNG
> @@ -39,8 +38,15 @@ menuconfig WPEWEBKIT
> select LIBXSLT_LIBXSLT
> select MESALIB
> select MESALIB_EGL
> + select MESALIB_GBM
> + select MESALIB_EGL_WAYLAND if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND
> select MESALIB_GLES2
> select LIBEPOXY
> + select WAYLAND if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND
> + select WAYLAND_PROTOCOLS if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND
> + select LIBINPUT if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_DRM
> + select UDEV if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_DRM
> + select UDEV_LIBUDEV if WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_DRM
> select LIBGCRYPT
> select LIBTASN1
> select OPENSSL if WPEWEBKIT_WEBRTC
> @@ -76,13 +82,40 @@ menuconfig WPEWEBKIT
> select GST_PLUGINS_BAD1_SUBENC if WPEWEBKIT_VIDEO
> select GST_PLUGINS_BAD1_VIDEOPARSERS if WPEWEBKIT_VIDEO
> select GST_PLUGINS_BAD1_WEBRTC if WPEWEBKIT_WEBRTC
> - select WPEBACKEND_FDO
> select SYSTEMD if WPEWEBKIT_JOURNALD
> help
> WebPlatformForEmbedded port for the WebKit cross-platform web browser engine.
>
> if WPEWEBKIT
>
> +choice
> + prompt "WPE platform backend"
> + default WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND
> + help
> + Select which WPE Platform backend to build.
> +
> +config WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND
> + bool
> + prompt "Wayland"
> + help
> + Build the Wayland backend of the WPE Platform library.
> +
> +config WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_DRM
> + bool
> + prompt "DRM/KMS"
> + help
> + Build the DRM/KMS backend of the WPE Platform library. Uses libinput
> + for input handling and udev for device discovery.
> +
> +endchoice
> +
> +config WPEWEBKIT_MINIBROWSER
> + bool
> + prompt "build MiniBrowser"
> + help
> + Build and install the MiniBrowser, a simple WPE Platform based browser
> + that can be used as a launcher instead of cog.
> +
> config WPEWEBKIT_JOURNALD
> bool
> depends on INITMETHOD_SYSTEMD
> diff --git a/rules/wpewebkit.make b/rules/wpewebkit.make
> index 12aa869af149..8da3b93d00a5 100644
> --- a/rules/wpewebkit.make
> +++ b/rules/wpewebkit.make
> @@ -54,6 +54,7 @@ WPEWEBKIT_CONF_OPT := \
> -DENABLE_INTROSPECTION=OFF \
> -DENABLE_JAVASCRIPTCORE=ON \
> -DENABLE_JOURNALD_LOG=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_JOURNALD) \
> + -DENABLE_MINIBROWSER=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_MINIBROWSER) \
> -DENABLE_PDFJS=ON \
> -DENABLE_SPEECH_SYNTHESIS=OFF \
> -DENABLE_VIDEO=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_VIDEO) \
> @@ -62,11 +63,11 @@ WPEWEBKIT_CONF_OPT := \
> -DENABLE_WEBKIT=ON \
> -DENABLE_WEB_AUDIO=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_AUDIO) \
> -DENABLE_WPE_1_1_API=OFF \
> - -DENABLE_WPE_LEGACY_API=ON \
> - -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM=OFF \
> - -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_DRM=OFF \
> + -DENABLE_WPE_LEGACY_API=OFF \
> + -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM=ON \
> + -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_DRM=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_DRM) \
> -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_HEADLESS=OFF \
> - -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_WAYLAND=OFF \
> + -DENABLE_WPE_PLATFORM_WAYLAND=$(call ptx/onoff,PTXCONF_WPEWEBKIT_PLATFORM_WAYLAND) \
> -DENABLE_WPE_QT_API=OFF \
> -DENABLE_XSLT=ON \
> -DGCC_OFFLINEASM_SOURCE_MAP=OFF \
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